FATHER LIVIO: Here is Mirjana, let’s move on to the chapter concerning the ten secrets. I tell you with sincerity that I am not a curious person, but I would like to know everything that is legitimate to know and that Our Lady wants us to know. Being Director of Radio Maria I feel a specific responsibility in this regard.

MIRJANA: Father Livio, tell me the truth, since we began our conversation, you are waiting for this moment. You have already said from the beginning that this is the thing that interests you the most.

FATHER LIVIO:There is a personal reason that pushes me to have very accurate information about it. From what I have read, it seems to me that these secrets will be made known to the world through a priest you have chosen three days before they are realized. So, I asked myself this question: if at the time of the revelation of the secrets I will still be Director of Radio Maria, will I have to inform people each time how much the priest you have chosen will reveal? So here you are put the cards on the table very clearly.

MIRJANA: I too like to put my cards on the table and I tell you right away that you can inform all the listeners of Radio Maria. There are no problems with that.

FATHER LIVIO:That’s fine. So, Mirjana, have you had the ten secrets since Christmas 1982, when the apparitions ended?

MIRJANA: Maybe I better tell you everything I can say right away.

FATHER LIVIO: Go ahead and say everything you can say and then I’ll ask you for some clarifications.

MIRJANA:Here I had to choose a priest to tell the ten secrets and I chose the Franciscan Father Petar Ljubicié. I have to say what will happen and where ten days before it happens. We have to spend seven days in fasting and prayer and three days before he will have to tell everyone and will not be able to choose whether to say or not. He has accepted that he will tell everyone three days ago, so it will be seen that it is a thing of the Lord. Our Lady always says: “Don’t talk about secrets, but pray and whoever feels me as Mother and God as Father, don’t be afraid of anything”.
We are all always talking about what will happen in the future, but which of us will be able to say if he will be alive tomorrow? Nobody! What Our Lady teaches us is not to worry about the future, but to be ready at that moment to go to meet the Lord and not instead waste time talking about secrets and things of this kind.
Father Petar, who is now in Germany, when he comes to Medjugorje, jokes with me and says: “Come and confess and tell me at least a secret now …”
Because everyone is curious, but you have to understand what is really important. The important thing is that in every moment we are ready to go to the Lord and everything that happens, if it happens, will be the will of the Lord, which we cannot change. We can only change ourselves!

FATHER LIVIO:Our Lady also insists that those who pray are not afraid of the future. The real problem is when we turn away from his heart and from that of Jesus.

MIRJANA: Sure, because your father and your mother can’t do you anything wrong. We are safe close to them.

FATHER LIVIO: I read a recent article in an Italian Catholic magazine that mocked the secrets by saying that, adding up all those of the six visionaries, they would be fifty-seven and threw it into ridicule. What can you answer?

MIRJANA: We also know mathematics, but we don’t talk about secrets because they are secrets.

FATHER LIVIO: Nobody knows the secrets of the other visionaries?

MIRJANA: Let’s not talk about that.

FATHER LIVIO:Haven’t you talked about it among yourselves?

MIRJANA: We never talk about it. We spread the messages of Our Lady and what the Lord wants us to tell people. But secrets are secrets and we seers among ourselves don’t talk about secrets.

FATHER LIVIO: So you don’t know what Vicka’s nine secrets are and Vicka doesn’t know what your ten secrets are?

MIRJANA: Well let’s not talk about that. This is something that is as if it were inside of me and I know that this is not being talked about.

FATHER LIVIO: Vicka is present here. Can you Vicka confirm that you don’t know Mirjana’s ten secrets?

VICKA: I never needed to know what Our Lady said to Mirjana. I think he said the same to me too and that the secrets are the same.

FATHER LIVIO: Now let’s see what can be said about the content of at least some secrets. It seems to me that something can be said about the third and seventh secret. What can you tell us about the third secret?

MIRJANA: There will be a sign on the hill of apparitions, as a gift for all of us, so that it can be seen that Our Lady is present here as our mother.

FATHER LIVIO: What will this sign be like?

MIRJANA: Beautiful!

FATHER LIVIO:Listen Mirjana, I don’t want to appear curious and much less induce you to say something you don’t want. However, it seems right that the listeners of Radio Maria should know what Our Lady desires or allows us to know. As for the sign, I will ask you a specific question, however, if you want, please avoid answering. Will it be a sign that has a spiritual significance?
MIRJANA: It will be a very visible sign, that it couldn’t be done with human hands; a thing of the Lord that remains.

FATHER LIVIO:It’s a thing of the Lord. It seems to me a statement full of meaning. But is it something that comes from the Lord, because only the Lord is omnipotent and can do it, or because the sign has a spiritual and transcendent meaning? If the sign is a rose, it doesn’t mean anything to me. If, on the other hand, it is a cross, then it tells me a lot.

MIRJANA: I can’t say anything more. I have said all that could be said.

FATHER LIVIO: Anyway, you said many beautiful things.

MIRJANA: It will be a gift for all of us, which cannot be done with human hands and which is a thing of the Lord.

FATHER LIVIO: I asked Vicka if I will see this sign. She replied that I’m not that old. So you know the date of the sign?

MIRJANA: Yes, I know the date.

FATHER LIVIO: So you know exactly the date and what it consists of. Do you, Vicka, know the date?

VICKA: Yes, I also know the date.

FATHER LIVIO: Now let’s move on to the seventh secret. What is it lawful to know about the seventh secret?

MIRJANA: I prayed to Our Lady if it were possible that at least part of that secret would be changed. She replied that we had to pray. We prayed a lot and you said that a part has been changed, but that now it can no longer be changed, because it is the will of the Lord that must be realized.

FATHER LIVIO: Well, if the seventh secret has been mitigated, it means it’s a punishment.

MIRJANA: I can’t say anything.

FATHER LIVIO:Can it neither be further mitigated nor abolished?

MIRJANA: No.

FATHER LIVIO: You, Vicka, do you agree?

VICKA: Our Lady said that the seventh secret, as Mirjana has already said, has been partially canceled with our prayers. But, since Mirjana knows more about these things than I do, she now answers directly.

FATHER LIVIO: I insist on this point because someone says around that, if you pray, you can …

MIRJANA: It can’t be completely abolished. A part has been removed and that’s it.

FATHER LIVIO: In short, it has been mitigated and now it will necessarily be realized.

MIRJANA:This is what Our Lady said to me. I no longer ask for these things because it is not possible. This is the Lord’s will and it must be done.

FATHER LIVIO: Of these ten secrets, is there anyone that concerns you personally or do they concern the whole world?

MIRJANA: I have no secrets that concern me personally.

FATHER LIVIO: So they concern …

MIRJANA: The whole world.

FATHER LIVIO: The world or the Church?

MIRJANA: I don’t want to be that precise, because secrets are secret. I’m just saying the secrets are about the world.

FATHER LIVIO:I ask you this question by analogy with the third secret of Fatima. It certainly concerned the disasters of the war that was to come, but also the persecution of the Church and finally the attack on the Holy Father.

MIRJANA: I don’t want to be precise. When Our Lady wants it, I will say everything. Now I’m quiet.

FATHER LIVIO: However, we must say that, despite the twenty years we have behind us, the most is yet to come as regards Medjugorje. It seems that Our Lady has prepared us for particularly demanding moments. In fact, the secrets concern the world in general.

MIRJANA: Yes.

FATHER LIVIO: However we are sure that at least the third is positive.

MIRJANA: Yes.

FATHER LIVIO:Are all the others negative?

MIRJANA: I can’t say anything. She said that. I am silent.

FATHER LIVIO: Okay, I said it, not you.

MIRJANA: As Jesus says: “You said this.” I say it too: “You said this”. What I could tell about secrets, I have said.

FATHER LIVIO: Yes, but we need to have clear and orderly ideas about those things that it is legitimate to know. Have a little patience if I still ask you for some clarification. Do you know when each secret will happen?

MIRJANA: Yes, but I really don’t want to talk about the secrets because it is Our Lady’s will not to speak.

FATHER LIVIO:Don’t say what you can’t, but at least say something about what you can. You know about everyone when it happens. Do you even know where?

MIRIANA: Even where.

FATHER LIVIO: I understand: you know where and when.

MIRJANA: Yes.

FATHER LIVIO: These two words, where and when, are very important. Now let’s see how the process by which secrets are disclosed takes place. Will Our Lady tell you something at the right moment? Will the ten secrets be revealed in progressive order, i.e. first, second, third, and so on?

MIRJANA: I can’t say anything more.

FATHER LIVIO: I don’t insist. What can you say about a rumor circulating that you wrote the ten secrets?

MIRJANA:Look, Father, if we want to continue the interview on important things, that is, on Our Lady and her messages, I gladly answer, but I don’t talk about secrets, because they are secrets. Everyone tried, from priests to Communists, especially with Jakov who was only nine and a half years old, but they never managed to understand or know anything. We therefore leave this topic. If it happens, it will be the Lord’s will and we have made this clear. The important thing is that our soul is ready and prepared to find the Lord then we will not have to worry about the future or anything else.

FATHER LIVIO: So we have to stick to that information you gave us at the beginning?

MIRJANA: Well, that’s it,

FATHER LIVIO:Honestly, there is enough to meditate for a long time.

MIRJANA: That’s what Our Lady wants us to know.

FATHER LIVIO: As far as I’m concerned, I obey more than willingly. The last thing that I have not yet clarified and to which not even Vicka has been able to answer me, and which therefore I must ask you, is this: the revelation of the ten secrets, through Father Petar, will take place by making known one secret at a time, or all together at once? It is not a small thing, because if it happens ten times later, we will risk a heart attack. Can’t you tell us this either?

MIRJANA: I can’t.

FATHER LIVIO: But you know it?

MIRJANA: Yes.

FATHER LIVIO:Very good. Here, let’s leave this topic and close the parenthesis. I believe we know everything there is to know.

MIRJANA: What can we know!

FATHER LIVIO:As far as I’m concerned, I don’t want to know more, even if it were allowed to me. I prefer to wait confidently for God’s surprises. I don’t even want to know if I’ll be alive. It is enough for me to know that God knows. But now I would like to try to understand the theological and spiritual significance of all this. If I place the ten secrets in the context of Our Lady’s messages, I think I can say that, even if at first sight they may be a cause for concern for us, in reality they are a manifestation of divine mercy. In fact, Our Lady in many messages says that she came to build with us the new world of peace. Therefore the final landing, that is the point of arrival of the whole plan of the Queen of Peace, is a gulf of light, that is, a better world, more fraternal and closer to God.

MIRJANA:Yes, yes. I’m sure we will eventually see this light. We will see the triumph of the heart of Our Lady and of Jesus.